I’m a PE too, started a solo consulting firm and have brought in 90k just over the last 7 months since I started. The Environmental concentration people took a few chemistry classes but it was mostly a Civil Engineering degree with some Chemical analysis and environmental protection added in. Especially for the liability we take on.... I’m near your age and making about the same base salary. Telephone: (609) 258-4600 Email: cee@princeton.edu Deadline: December 1. So how did that go exactly? You can't buy wellness and you can't buy time. I just looked on Indeed.com for my state (PA) and there is only one page of jobs there specifically looking for an Environmental Engineer. Also, if you have a passion for it.. it's more about how you market/sell yourself to companies than it is about your degree so you've got that going for you regardless of your choice :). With 830 students enrolled in our undergraduate degree programs for architectural, civil, environmental and geological engineering, and 180 students in our graduate programs, we attract curious, innovative and exceptional individuals from Canada and abroad who are Don't let it get to you. Young people look ahead and only see that they are healthy and have plenty of time. Civil and Environmental Engineering involves the planning, design, and construction of many of the developments, large and small, that make modern life possible. We have plenty of disposable income to go out whenever we want and travel. I too feel conflicted that our work is important to society, while getting paid less than people who studied business or finance whom mainly just gambles with other's money (sorry that's just my take on the stock market). That being said, environmental engineering is going to give you a head start in certain fields over civil majors (mostly water and air resources/quality). Study the one that you will enjoy more. Mechanical and Civil Engineering are the two oldest and most applied fields of engineering. Environmental only will close the door to … I also take great pride in my work, I love knowing that my work truly matters to society and directly affects it. and many smallet civil companies that really just need a generic smart person would turn her away for not having a civil. That’s like asking what’s the difference between aeronautical engineering and mechanical engineering; they’re related and part of each other. From algebra, trigonometry, geometry, calculus, probability, statistics, and even engineering economy, mathematics is central in the field of civil engineering. My biggest piece of advice is not to compare yourself to business majors or those types of industry personnel. An environmental engineering degree will seperate you from the other civil applicants. Cookies help us deliver our Services. I hate my job (civil/structural engineer in oil and gas), it has no challenge, no opportunities for professional development, no chance of advancement or any sense of personal pride. There is no shortage of work but the demand is not evenly spread out geographically. The Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering (CEE) seeks to understand the world, invent, and innovate with creative design. Came here to say this. Totally agree, start small with your current contacts in your community. Salaries in real terms are falling as outsourcing increases. I have delivered several full PS and E packages for construction in excess of 2 million dollars. Civil engineering has four specialties: Environmental/water resources engineers remove contaminants from water, reduce non-hazardous solid waste volumes, eliminate pollutants from the air and develop groundwater supplies. I'm currently making 90k a year, which is great don't get me wrong, but I just know people who have accomplished a lot less and make quite a bit more. University of Waterloo. I hate my commute, I hate the city I'm living in (Houston) and in general I wish I had made better choices up to this point. Currently, I'm torn between civil, environmental and mechanical. This is what I recommend to almost everyone thinking about studying environmental engineering. My husband and I have very little debt and our quality of life is very high, but we also know how to have non-work hobbies and how to have fun. Contact the Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering. Middle management required useless paperwork genersucks any remaining enjoyment that might have been possible out of work. Press J to jump to the feed. If you are interested in environmental engineering and want to become professionally licensed, you may be wondering which PE exam to take. Not a great career trajectory or life path. I love biology and the environment but I have been told that a Biology degree is essentially useless in my situations. If my post gets some traction I'll discuss more. wife did environmental but has never had an environmental job. 200 University Avenue West. I ended up in gov't doing environmental policy and love it (now I'm back in private doing climate policy now but I got my policy start in govt). You sound like a great self starter and have a great number of skills outside of your primary job. Welcome to one of the largest and most well-respected civil and environmental engineering departments in Canada. For me it’s more than just money. Your location also matters as certain areas have a higher demand for environmental engineers. I couldn't imagine having to get up every day to go work a job that I hate and still not get paid enough to make ends meet. I am applying to around 15 colleges in the next 48 hours. I have fully designed projects from scratch and trained staff in all aspects of Civil engineering. The Civil will open up all of the different doors to you, including Environmental. If you're interested in either of those fields studying EnvE might be a good choice. August 2010. We make plenty to live a comfortable life and support our family. My wife complains that we don’t make more but that’s her problem as she is mostly unhappy with her career. Civil engineering is about the planning, design, construction and operation of facilities essential to modern life, ranging from bridges to transit systems. There is just no reasonable break point in another career where I can make as much money from here to retirement. I would go for the Civil though it's not a huge difference. If it truly interests you, I would start specializing now. Enviro engineer here! NCEES offers two different environmental exams for professional licensing: PE Civil with a Water Resources and Environmental Depth, and PE Environmental. If you enjoy the biological content and want to work on limiting the environmental impact side, I would recommend enviro (but I recognize my own biased!). My university converted it's chem eng program into enviro eng so it was more processed than civil based. Press J to jump to the feed. However, your job description sounds awesome and unlike any civil engineering position I've seen. The secondary area electives could be selected to achieve this goal. The housing market there is just outrageous for salaries that are pretty close to the same just outside of that state. Just some things to keep in mind. Civil engineering programs stress engineering fundamentals, while also teaching skills that are applicable to various careers in the field, such as graphical, written and oral communication skills. Keep your head up, Engineers do valuable work that most people can't do. I am motivated purely by passion, but I have to consider my future still. You have a good lens into what would be required and it could give you the challenge you are looking for. Take a look at the following websites for descriptions of the two fields: I am an Environmental Engineer with a Civil & Environmental Engineering degree. Did these jobs want a civil engineer and you applied anyhow? Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. I'm conflicted. I believe you will only take 1 or 2 waste water classes in civil engineering which is probably the closest to environmental engineering in that curriculum. You can easily make mid 100s, maybe more. The career paths of construction management vs. civil engineering are also different. Master of Science in Civil Engineering, University of Connecticut, 2003 Bachelor of Civil Engineering (graduated with highest honors), Georgia Institute of Technology, 1997 Dr. Kari Edison Watkins, P.E., is the Frederick Law Olmsted Associate Professor in the School of Civil and Environmental Engineering at the Georgia Institute of Technology. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. she manages a testing team for mechanical/chemical type work in natural gas power plants. For me, the answer is no. AskEngineers is a forum for questions about the technologies, standards, and processes used to design & build these systems, as well as for questions about the engineering profession and its many disciplines. I've worked almost every element of enviro - water treatment, wastewater treatment, land remediation, environmental assessments (not air though!). Cookies help us deliver our Services. Overview. About the only good thing is they pay overtime, sometimes, if they don't come up with enough bullshit non-billable meetings to fill up my time sheet. As a civil engineer, I say go environmental engineering B.S. I would seriously appreciate your insight on this. So what drives people to stay in Civil Engineering at this point? Application Link: Apply here. Civil Engineering is primarily about construction, design, and maintenance of the civil structures, infrastructures, and buildings. But I LOVE biology and still want to study it. I'm still a CE student but I'm in my mind 30s after serving in the military for 11 years and did quite a bit of research on pay, etc when I was deciding to make the career leap. If you like the work and you're comfortable, and you don't think that the amount of work that you're putting in is acceptable relative to your paycheck, you have two choices, you can either pull back and enjoy life more or you can push through and either start your own company or continue as is. The work and academic experience of construction engineers lead them into construction jobs. People worry too much about what others are getting. I myself have not started an engineering firm [I'm 26] but am interested in doing so later on in my career). Companies like McKinsey, Boston Consultjng Group, Bain, Deloitte, Accenture, PwC, etc all hire industry folks for lots of $$. As for being marketable, if you have a degree in engineering, you can pretty much apply to most positions. Its more versatile plus a lot of programs have an option to specialize/focus in environmental anyway. Sure.. but I enjoy going to work every day. Waterloo Engineering Faculty Openings Provide Website Feedback. There are 18 regular faculty in civil and environmental engineering, with doctorates from internationally recognized programs. Civil and Environmental Engineering › Research › Environmental Engineering, Sustainability, and Science Environmental Engineering, Sustainability, and Science (EESS) Sustainability addresses the ability of societies to maintain and improve quality of life while preserving both the quality and availability of its natural resources. The other part is (based on your age and my assumption your friends you are comparing yourself with) is that you haven't had to weather a major economic recession. Cities? The military is also an option. If you're set on targeting the environment field, go environmental engineer. With civil engineering, you may get too caught up with the other departments like structural, construction, transportation, and hydro. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Civil Engineers. Dr. Nguyen joined the faculty of the Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering in November 2006 where she teaches graduate and undergraduate classes in environmental engineering, with an emphasis on physico-chemical processes for water and wastewater treatments. The student may wish to pursue study of an engineering field outside of but related to civil and environmental engineering. I am an EIT in a rural area and work for a county government, which obviously does not pay well, but has really excellent benefits. This involves finding solutions to many problems faced by society while staying within the limits of … I really want to work with pollution air control as well as hydraulic sanitation. Replies to: civil vs. environmental engineering #1. ken285 3903 replies 30 threads Senior Member. I think what I am seeing is a very uneven distribution of employment in the United States. 400 Snell Engineering Center 617.373.2444 617.373.4419 (fax). Some civil programs used to not have a separate Environmental degree and employers know that. You can always do a grad program in either curriculum if you find out you made the wrong choice. Fee: $75.00. I would elaborate more but the tablet I'm typing on sucks and I'm a bit short on time at the moment. she really wanted to do air quality but as another poster pointed out, there are very few openings and in the US youre pretty limited geographically for an enviro, whereas civils can find work anywhere. Don't get caught in the disaster/recovery boom human-trap that is Houston. In my previous career I was working 90+ hour weeks consistently and killing myself and my social life for the job, and me and my best girlfriend went back to school at the same time. Damn man. Engineers apply the knowledge of math & science to design and manufacture maintainable systems used to solve specific problems. In fact, some programs devote a significant amount of time to hands-on training in material testing, surveying, manual and computer-aided drafting, … It's just not a good long term plan. I personally found that my enviro degree set me apart from the civils who were interested in working in those environmental elements. My current plan is to keep living in this hell hole until my student loans are paid off, and either my house is paid off or I have enough savings to buy a house somewhere, then find some low/no effort municipal or state job to kill time in until I die or can collect whatever is left of social security by then. Until we demand the appropriate value for services then we will all continue to have these issues. Application Opens: October 15. Environmental Engineering Rather like transportation, environmental engineering is another core consideration when it comes to the planning and construction of human settlements. Civil and Environmental Engineering. Your best chance would be to land internships prior to graduation and hopefully secure a job through that. I didn’t get into civil engineering to become a millionaire, but knew I’d live a comfortable life. Jerome F. Hajjar, PhD, PE CDM Smith Professor and Chair. I always thought civil engineering as a whole is lower pay due to the bidding process on jobs. I generally work 830-530 and will bill OT if I work longer. exam to take. As someone who has both an accounting degree and a civil engineering degree I’ve definitely noticed that engineers do a poor job of driving revenue and actually charging what we are worth. 1. Sometimes what people really need is a change of pace, or to try something new within the same field. They will make more money. Hi i am getting ready ( ....for oct 2008 P.E exam)... and i am still undecided as to which P.E. I’ve been out there a few times and just going out to eat costs twice as much as it does where I live, and I live in the northeast US. While both civil and environmental engineers design plans, what they are designing varies greatly. What's being lost on people is that it's a career that is enjoyable, rewarding, and can provide for a comfortable lifestyle. And I've got a team I don't hate working with. Were they looking for a fuck ton of experience? Website. I advise any students who ask me for advice to choose something else. I can’t put a price on that. Isn't that based on competition though? Only you can know which of those will make you happy. I feel the same as you do, and funny I am around the same age and mainly doing alignment/roadway design too. Move to a non-oil funded state and get a job with the state DOT/DEC/WR dept, the pay will be less but so will your cost of living and stress levels. Your degree and skills are much more hard fought and the average college grad couldn't hack getting an Engineering degree. Yea, I know guys younger than me making more working in marketing, finance, business, etc. I always thought Civil dealt with bridge construction and infrastructure. My understanding is the job outlook for certain areas of civil are better than others. I have multiple Environmental Engineers telling me to never go Enviro and multiple multiple Environmental Engineers telling me to get the degree. Unfortunately, as I'm nearing 40, it's too late to switch careers at this point. Students who take this course are often drained with numbers mixed with formulas and analysis to solve real world problems. California is expensive a hell. Agree on the California market. As long as I can do that, I’m fine. I’ve worked on airports and bridges, used every day by thousands of people. I served in Honduras 15 years ago in water systems and there were plenty of people that majored in structural engineering there with me (i took more environmental egr for my civil egr degree). You're in oil and gas, so this is less so in your side of the industry but the Is has an unquenchable thirst for oil, so it will almost always recover. Curriculum-Civil engineering diploma is designed in a way that student gets both theoretical and practical knowledge about the subject in focus.Diploma courses focuses more … My experience: I am a licensed Civil Engineer and (almost licensed as a Land Surveyor, one more 4 hour test) in CA with about 10 years part time experience and 4 years full time experience. Much more versatility and job availability. PhD in Civil & Environmental Engineering with a transcript designation of Atmosphere/Energy; Environmental Engineering. Another friend (same age about 30) I know makes 120k+ with a business degree and slaves pretty good but doesn't need a license to perform his work or even an MBA. You need to read up on management consulting. Personally, I love what I do for many reasons and I have no regrets over my career choice. My question to you is....what's it worth. Civil and Environmental Engineering | John A. Reif, Jr. Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering Environmental engineering is actually a subarea within the larger field of civil engineering, which happens to be among the oldest and broadest engineering disciplines. I have to make this decision very soon cause I waited to the last minute. Job Title Minimum Education Required Median Salary (2019)* Job Growth (2018-2028)* Civil Engineer : Bachelor's degree : $87,060 : 6%: Electrical Engineer I'd personally go for civil for the broader knowledge and broader job prospects (some employers may be prejudice towards non-civils, idk). The student may want to pursue a minor (e.g., there are official minors currently available in both Materials Science & Engineering and Computer Science). As a result, civil and environmental engineers must be creative problem solvers to meet the challenges of the 21st century. Many of the faculty have extensive practical experience, and all are determined to prepare our students for the challenges of civil and It will make a difference in your coursework, though. Source: Environmental engineer working in water resources. For example, I know someone (same age about 30) with no degree and works as a recruiter and makes 100k+ and works normal 40 hour weeks. As a civil engineer, I say go environmental engineering B.S. Terms of Enrollment: Fall Term (September) Summer Term (June) for LGO students. So you think I should get my B.S, get employed for a few years, then go back for my Master's Degree in Environmental Engineering? That said, my salary is decent too and I am content with my work as it is just like playing Sim City every day and I love it. Civil industry is somewhat protected from this boom-bust cycle because the ultimate is. Our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use cookies! 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